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H.R. PFRETZSCHNER bow?

 
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okawbow
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: H.R. PFRETZSCHNER bow? Reply with quote

Can anyone tell by the pictures if this bow is genuine? It has been in a violin case under a bed for at least 25 years. It seems to be a fine quality pernambuco bow, and the wood is in excellent condition.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4736107282
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4736107862/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4735471105/in/photostream/
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Mat Roop
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not even close to an ID expert but here is some pics of Pfretzschner bows... Kinda poor pics ... but better than none!
Looks like the fittings are silver and workmanship is superb... could be the real thing!
http://www.rezx.biz/photos/Pfretzschner_HR.jpg

Nice bow and find!
Cheers, Mat
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you seen this site... http://www.hrpfretzschner.de/boegen_engl.html
you can asl them directly.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: Thanks for the info Reply with quote

Matt,
Yes, the bow is very fine workmanship. The fittings are tarnished, but are silver. The stick looks perfect to me, after I cleaned some rosin off. I'll write the makers and see if they can ID and possibly restore the bow to like new.

I'm thinking it is probably genuine. It has been in a violin case for at least 20-25 years, and possibly many more. I doubt that there were many fakes that long ago. The violin it was with is marked Mathias Johannes Koldjz 1743. It also might be genuine, except it's in rough shape. The neck and button have been replaced long ago, and someone repaired several cracks in the top, and then varnished over them. It has a one piece back, but the wood is rather plain. Lots of honest looking wear on the violin.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My hunch is the bow is for real.
On the violin, top cracks don't usually affect market value much because they are easily repaired and common, unless the cracks are at the soundpost or bassbar. The button replacement is another story...
Cheers & good luck with getting it all up and running!
Mat
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks pretty good to me, the tip looks well made but kind of thick. the brand on the frog looks good and as mentioned the fittings are silver. I can restore it for you if you would like.

J. Havivi
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject: restoration Reply with quote

Thanks for the offer Jack. The head bowmaker at Pfretzschner said the bow looked genuine to him. He thought it was made between 1919 and 1939. His company will restore and certify the bow for a reasonable cost. It should certainly be worth doing, as the value should be close to a new bow after restoration. The stick is perfect and has a great "feel".
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: H.R. PFRETZSCHNER bow? Reply with quote

okawbow wrote:
Can anyone tell by the pictures if this bow is genuine? It has been in a violin case under a bed for at least 25 years. It seems to be a fine quality pernambuco bow, and the wood is in excellent condition.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4736107282
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4736107862/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4735471105/in/photostream/

even though its not genuine.. it looks pretty good to me.. It looks a bit similar to the bow i used while im in my violin lessons..


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: H.R. PFRETZSCHNER bow? Reply with quote

kurtdaniel wrote:
okawbow wrote:
Can anyone tell by the pictures if this bow is genuine? It has been in a violin case under a bed for at least 25 years. It seems to be a fine quality pernambuco bow, and the wood is in excellent condition.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4736107282
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4736107862/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20524843@N03/4735471105/in/photostream/

even though its not genuine.. it looks pretty good to me..


You are Right about the bow. I sent it to Pfretzschner, and they said " It was not made in their shop". They were a little vague about who might have made it, but said it was an excellent quality bow.

I wonder if it may have been made by a former employee?
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Mat Roop
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurt & Oka.... are there specific clues that validate the un-authenticity?
Cheers, Mat
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt,

I asked the head bowmaker at Pfretzschner, and he would not say why he did not believe the bow was made in their shop. I did notice that after removing the frog; the "Made in Germany" stamp was not perfectly done.

Their shop rehaired the bow and re-leathered and generally made it like new, for a reasonable fee. It plays exceptionally well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...he would not say why he did not believe the bow..


They obviously don't want to disclose their mark...

Oka, did they give you any indication of how much it's worth?
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