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Jeremiah
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:25 pm    Post subject: A knot in my violin top Reply with quote

Sometimes I find surprises inside my engelmann spruce. I thought this one looked nice.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that #22? I am looking forward to seeing it. It is really interesting seeing freshly scraped spruce under magnification-- I had no idea how rough it looked. I wonder how people will respond to the knot? Some people really like anomalies like that. Others act as though you have tried to sell them a steak that was past its pull-date.

Did #21 sell, or is it still in the shop? That was a real beauty...just my opinion.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: A knot in my violin top Reply with quote

Trying to embed photos.

No luck.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: A knot in my violin top Reply with quote

I think it looks interesting.

Gives it a signature that no other one will duplicate.

Take a look at one of Stradivari's early violins. "Tullaye" c.1670

http://groups.msn.com/violinCAD/photoalbum1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=165

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chet Bishop wrote:
Is that #22? I am looking forward to seeing it. It is really interesting seeing freshly scraped spruce under magnification-- I had no idea how rough it looked. I wonder how people will respond to the knot?


This is #23... #22 is about 3 days behind it but will probably get varnished first. They'll get displayed on my website probably mid or late June.

This is actually scraped spruce with the grain raised by wetting, and what looks like grain lines, but too close and fine to really be grain lines... actually are the grain lines. The grain spacing on my spruce is over 50 grains per inch in most places. The density of this wood is just over that of balsa... the completed top with bassbar and 3.1mm thick between the F's weighs just 60 grams and rings an F#.

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Did #21 sell, or is it still in the shop? That was a real beauty...just my opinion.

Chet

It's still for sale. The tone is slightly edgy for some people, so it may take time to sell. Plus it's in a shop in Spokane... I'll be making a trip out to Portland here mid-June and may put it in a shop there where more people can play it.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: A knot in my violin top Reply with quote

Moodivarius wrote:
I think it looks interesting.

Gives it a signature that no other one will duplicate.

Take a look at one of Stradivari's early violins. "Tullaye" c.1670


Now THAT violin has knots in it! Maybe I should try that sometime... but probably only the old fiddlers would want the resulting violin!

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That knot is quite small, no problem, use a good varnish to make it beautifull under it! Wood is a natural thing, rarely it's flawless. I think these little imperfections add character and charm to the violin.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the finished violin, #23; http://jeremiahsviolins.com/violin.html

I'm very happy with the sound and playability so far but the violin is only a couple hours old or so right now.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeremiah, #23 is very nice. I especially like the scroll and the neck.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked it too, congrats! For the next, I would make the transition varnish/french polishing in the neck more subtle. I would carve the scroll a bit more deep too. But I may be wrong. Fine violin!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks... Smile

I made a mistake bandsawing the scroll and I decided to salvage the wood... the scroll is 2mm narrower than I intended as a result. It would look much nicer to my eye if that hadn't happened. This whole violin was an exercise in using up old tonewood that I had laying around for years. I'm completely surprised at just how good this thing plays and sounds!

It seems that around 8 years ago I was going to use this very wood and make a violin when I was visiting Leif Luscombe in Canada, but he didn't think it would make a very good sounding violin so I didn't use it. Leif would probably have been correct, at that time... but I must have learned alot about how to get good sound between then and now.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but even if you had 2 milimeters less, you could carve it a bit more, it helps making the neck and scroll lighter too. This is one of my viola scrolls inspired in Andrea Guarneri:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/465252249_f513af4d5d.jpg?v=0

Well, I've tried in vain to post pictures here...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a reason I don't carve my scrolls too deeply. I heard at violin making school that Strad didn't carve his deeply, and I'm making a Strad model violin. I've also looked at some of Strad's scrolls and I haven't found a reason to believe otherwise. However, if I had modified the proportions of this 2mm narrow scroll a bit more, I could have made it look alot more "right".

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, yes, I know that, but I think that even Strad scrolls are carved a bit more deeply.
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