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Benedict White
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| Lemuel wrote: |
Yes, A minor and C major have the same key signature. In music theory, A minor is the relative minor of C major and C major is the relative major of A minor. It takes an ear to hear majors versus minors. Minors sound sad, majors sound happy.
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Just to clarify, It's in C Major if it is a happy tune and A minor if a sad one?
What is the minor for G Major? |
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Ode to Tragedy
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I don't get all this major and minor stuff.
Also...if I'm playing it in 1st position does it mean it won't sound as sad?
I don't get why this would be so cos they are the same notes being played aren't they?
I was working on this most of the day today. I got the second line down pretty well and the third one I began since it isn't much diff to the second.
It still doesn't sound like the youtube piece. I can accept it'll sound different without vibratos but I didn't think SO different. I don't know what's going on. When I play it the result seems to still be some two bit fiddle type sound rather than the soulful/melancholic sound of the original.
The sound of my violin sounds completely different than the one on the vid (prob a bad workman blaming his tool here), like every note sounds diff. but I know I'm hitting the notes correctly so says my autotuner.
Now I have got some level of fluidity with the 1st lines I may go about getting a video up if my cheap freebie camera decides to work/I remember how to use it. |
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Lemuel
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Benedict White wrote: | | Just to clarify, It's in C Major if it is a happy tune and A minor if a sad one? What is the minor for G Major? |
Thanks for making it clearer. The formulas for figuring out majors of minor keys and vice versa is as follows:
If major key is known, the relative minor is the sixth note of that major key.
If minor key is known, the relative major is the third note of that minor key.
So for G major, the sixth note of G major is E minor.
| Ode to Tragedy wrote: |
I don't get all this major and minor stuff.
Also...if I'm playing it in 1st position does it mean it won't sound as sad?
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Ode, don't worry about all this major and minor stuff. It has nothing to do with positions. I hope to get back to you with some audio and photos on the weekend.
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Benedict White
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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So that is right then? The difference is whether it is sad or not?
Thanks for the info on working them out. So Danny boy can't be in G major, it is in E minor? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Benedict White wrote: | Just to clarify, It's in C Major if it is a happy tune and A minor if a sad one?...
So that is right then? The difference is whether it is sad or not?
Thanks for the info on working them out. So Danny boy can't be in G major, it is in E minor? |
Sorry Benedict, I did not see the "?" mark in your initial question.
Minors don't always sound sad, but they can also sound serious, intense or intemperate. I would use minors to describe negative emotions of the human experience.
Majors in addition to happy feelings can express optimism, hope, inspiration...the positive emotions of our existence.
The "Danny Boy" song that I am familiar with is a major key, not a minor key. |
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Benedict White
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Curious... I always thought of Danny boy as a mostly sad tune. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Yay, I am making incremental progress now.
It is starting to be a little reminiscent of the  . |
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| Benedict White wrote: | | Curious... I always thought of Danny boy as a mostly sad tune. |
Music interpretation and expression can mean different things to different people. It's not surprising to interpret Danny Boy this way. Others interpret the melody with feelings of hope and inspiration.
Here is my take on playing Danny Boy in a minor key (Harmonic G minor).
http://www.violins.ca/audio/DannyBoyMinor.mp3
This sounds a lot more sad to me.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Aww..I was anticipating the link for the OP tune  |
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| Ode to Tragedy wrote: | | Aww..I was anticipating the link for the OP tune |
Sorry, what does "OP" stand for? |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Original post.
If you are so kind as to do a recording of it would you be able to do one without vibrato as that is how I will be playing it and wanna know what it sounds like from someone who can play it well so I can aim for that when playing myself. |
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Benedict White
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| How would you play it in G Major? |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Wow that's interesting.
I like how playing a tune I found pretty revolting originally turned it into a nice melancholic waltz in a diff scale.
So I don't get it (but am intrigued to know now) does playing it in a diff scale mean you're actually playing different notes? |
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Benedict White
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Ode to Tragedy wrote: | | So I don't get it (but am intrigued to know now) does playing it in a diff scale mean you're actually playing different notes? |
Yes. As an example, Danny Boy tends to start 1 note below the scale it is in, so in D Major in starts on C#, and in G major it starts on F#. In G harmonic minor I assume it starts on an F. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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So with this original tune can it be played on minor scale?
If so how so? because I have just been following the sheet music for it. If it's different notes how do I know which ones would be 'minor'? |
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