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mikebee Junior Member
Joined: 03 Mar 2011 Posts: 13 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: Baroque bow making |
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As an instrument maker, but a newcomer to bow making I would like to make my own Baroque viola bow.
Can anyone tell me where I can obtain drawings and detailed info.? |
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Ed Shillitoe Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 110 Location: Syracuse NY
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Mikebee: You need the book "Meisterwerke der Sammlung alter Musikinstrumente by Rudolph Hopfner". It has more details than anything else. Unfortunately it is expensive, out of print, and in German! Apart from that, however, it is excellent.
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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HA I can not tell you how much I am laughing at myself. I know, strange reaction.
Well the book I bought translates to Masterpieces of Ancient Musical Instruments. It sounds quite interesting to own.
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Ed Shillitoe Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure its a great book, but just not about bows! The bow book comes with a folder of drawings and plans of about 30 old bows and is well worth having if you can find a copy.
The author of both those books is the curator of musical instruments at the Museum in Vienna. He's a very helpful person. When I visited there last year I sent him a list of the bows I really wanted to see and he pulled them out of the museum and had them all laid out on a table for me. I had to sign a detailed agreement (written in German which I don't speak) to be allowed to handle them and to wear white gloves all the time.
I'd be interested to hear what you think of the other book.
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Turns out the book had already been sold prior to my purchase, but inventory hadn't been updated. So the seller just cancelled my order. Kinda bummed I'm not getting the book I wasn't planning to buy
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Andres Sender Super Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 275 Location: N. CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Is the bow book truly OP? When I contacted the museum a few years ago they were still selling copies directly.
I got access to one through a university ultimately.
It's too bad it's still so difficult to access good drawings for early bows. I have been lucky in getting some makers to part with drawings on occasion, but I hear that people don't always succeed with such requests.
Ed that's very exciting that you got to see those bows! Did you make it to Salzburg by chance? ![Cool](images/smiles/icon_cool.gif) _________________ You can only connect the dots that you have. |
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Ed Shillitoe Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Andres! As you said, things have perked right up around here! How about showing some of your bows? I believe you have made a few?
Yes I got to Salzburg on the same trip - saw the museums and so on but the music season was over.
I think the bow book really is out of print. The museum has a small bookshop but no sign of that book. The packet of drawings that comes with it is well worth having. |
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Andres Sender Super Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 275 Location: N. CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly I didn't document several bows that people were waiting for, and other photos are on a backup disk somewhere for now. There's always this picture from the other forum (pre-polish):
I have had this one in process for a while. I am more interested in earlier models so this one languishes, but I should finish it and see what it's like. (Image a bit large so I'll leave it a link to keep the thread from getting over-wide.)
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/3063/042013bow.jpg
While I'm at it, I confess to being rather pleased with the scraped surface on the stick:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5443/scraped.jpg _________________ You can only connect the dots that you have. |
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ctviolin Super Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Andres Sender wrote: |
While I'm at it, I confess to being rather pleased with the scraped surface on the stick:
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So would I be.
Great work Andres, that bow is gorgeous. it's good to see you around.
Craig T _________________ Look,
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Ed Shillitoe Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yes that's very nice. Scraped with what may one ask?
And what about bows with clip in frogs - do you find players who like them? I find that players are interested but will not buy anything unless it has screw adjustment, even if that is not historically appropriate. |
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Andres Sender Super Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks very much Craig. Nice to be here.
Ed--I'm not selling bows these days, so the market doesn't matter. I'm always a little surprised at the resistance to clip-ins. Tension management is not difficult with a clip-in and a few slips of leather.
Although there are folks who say that clip-in bows have a different sound quality I think the root of my preference for them is the integrity of the design--all things being equal, it's more organic to have a single piece of wood that locks in place.
About the scraping tool--more later. ![Wink](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________ You can only connect the dots that you have. |
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ctviolin Super Member
Joined: 07 May 2009 Posts: 961 Location: Roswell
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Andres Sender wrote: |
Although there are folks who say that clip-in bows have a different sound quality I think the root of my preference for them is the integrity of the design--all things being equal, it's more organic to have a single piece of wood that locks in place.
About the scraping tool--more later.
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Cool, I'm always interested in specific luthier tools - (even though many times they end up just being normal tools, adapted slightly for our own particular needs)
Another thing that I had not really considered before, is the FACT that a single piece of wood locking in place (as a "frog") does indeed make sense from an ergonomic, simplistic and mechanical point of view.
Eliminating the tension point (and mechanical complexities and possible weaknesses) of the screw and eyelet altogether... interesting concept.
One that makes me think a bit about what's considered normal - and what might actually be optimal... _________________ Look,
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ctviolin Super Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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sorry - dup... _________________ Look,
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