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Mat Roop
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:48 pm    Post subject: Bow screw provenance Reply with quote

Here is a pic of a bow screw that I have, and I am trying to get a flavour of its history. The button is a silver cap over ebony style... does this define any school or country of origin?
Also the thread is rounded, i.e. formed not cut... does this date the screw, and what time frame?


thanks... Mat
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mat,

Just admit it! You're hiding a Dominique Peccatte, and don't want us to know what you've got! Why don't you just show us the bow, and then we'll all know what it's from.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Bob.... Darned if I know what I have ... It is a nice bow ... Had it restored by experts, they did not think it was a factory bow, but could not attribute it. I do see a lot of bows, and provenance has never been my interest. I am realizing I need to start to get a handle on it at least to a small degree... hence my questions... just thought I might start small with just the screw.... but here is the bow... the tip and liner and grip has been replaced as well as the ferrule and slide, and bottom third of the frog as they were missing completely.
I'm thinking dating the screw might narrow the options?
Thanks for any ideas you may have... cheers, Mat


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno who made it, but can I propose that it's either French or drunk German? But any worker in a German shop who placed an eye that crooked would be shot. The French would have laughed and shipped it out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is what the the original looked like...


I am not focused on the bow, but it was this bow that triggered my need to start to understand the provenance of bows
sooo.... back to the original question... with a screw like that what does it say to you? age/ locale?
Cheers... mat
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does the mortise look like? Any indication of cutting with a milling machine?

From what I've been told, and read, rolled threads suggest a French maker. Like so many things, I'm sure there are exceptions. Especially when you consider that some of the best German makers learned in France. The off-center eye in the frog also suggests French. And if the eye isn't perfectly round, that also suggests French, although I see that at least one of the pearl eyes was missing when you got the bow. Many modern makers file their eyes into round disks, vs turning them on a lathe, or buying them pre-made.

"cause that's the way those French guys did it!"
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not ask Steven Beckley at http://bowworks.com/ ? He has made a study of bow screws. Let us know what he says!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Ed!

Where you been? We need you around here!

Yup, Steve even has a photo of a Peccatte thread at his site. Looks an awful lot like Mat's screw--based on the threads, anyway.

Bob
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the mortise... can't see a sign of machines...


I'll email Steve beckley today...
thanks for your advice! ... Mat
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mat,

You could post this on MN to get comments from actual experts, but it's nice that there aren't any hash marks--the so-called Roman numerals--on the stick. And you're right, the mortise looks to be entirely hand-cut.

How does it play?

I'm repairing a stick with the same damage to the head, but the frog is okay. I think it might turn out to be a nice bow--really has a ring to it. It's German, though.

Bob
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Matt:

Ignore the screw - look at the collar of the adjuster, then go to Maestronet for November 2013. Look at the posts by Fiddlecollector.

There's your answer!!

Ed
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Ed. Took a minute to find the thread. Photos and discussion of adjuster styles are on the second page:

http://www.maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/329488-k-reindahl-bow/
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