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What do you think, 1798 or just nicely antiqued?

 
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Dave Chandler
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:50 pm    Post subject: What do you think, 1798 or just nicely antiqued? Reply with quote

Gorgeous, but real?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141683995518?fe_1_4
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:35 pm    Post subject: Dave Reply with quote

Dave you may have to start some big gossip to get some postings .

Like Donald Trump is going to be US president
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a real fiddle. I don't see much antiquing on my screen.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks pretty new to me!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I think its a new violin. I like the finish, but very rough cut "f"s. No nicks, no rubs, no worn spots that I can see.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, look at the photo of the head, and see the totally white ring of wood around one of the pegs: a peg fit into brand new wood is what I see there.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see any evidence of a neck scroll graft, usually rules out 18th century, at least if the neck is original.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1798 may be post-baroque, so chance of seeing a neck-angle graft on violins made after 1760-70 become less common.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1798 is not baroque, but the original "baroque" style necks did not go out of favour till 1800-1850, a 1798 violin with a totally modern neck is very unlikely. In 1798 a neck would be likely one piece neck top block or nailed on neck, a la Stradivari, if the neck was morticed into the block in 1798, it presumably wouldn't have as much overstand or neck angle as a totally modern setup.

From my understanding, modern style necks did not appear in 1760-1770, but rather STARTED appearing in 1800 even though they were still unlikely at that time, by 1850 most necks were modern, it took 50 years for the modern neck style to totally dominate.
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Mat Roop
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible that the top and back have been refinished?.... the colors do not seem to match the ribs... maybe just the angle of the pic.

but a bigger question... do people really buy violins in the $500+ range on line based on photos without seeing the instrument? ..just can't imagine doing that. .. cheers, Mat
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