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Is Tchaikovsky too secular?
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Amalia
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you are just bickering, Techfiddle. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amalia wrote:
Now you are just bickering, Techfiddle. Very Happy


And you're NOT? What were you insinuating in your remark "Most people are also able to rationalize their behavior to support their personal desires."

That's not bickering?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Debrief Reply with quote

Well it all went fine. I arranged and played it in such a way that the beginning was subdued, very classical sounding, and then it gradually built up to a very strong ending. My intention was to include the sentiment that the King Has Arrived. I had done the Sugar Plum Fairy in services before, which has an even stronger feel of Christmas to it. Waltz of the Flowers is is not such a strong Christmas feel but is (or certainly can be) very triumphant at the end. I don't think I mentioned that I was doing that on a classical guitar.

There was also some violin though. I did the last remaining "standard" tune, Angels We Have Heard On High (most of the other really familiar carols were already on the program by the time I saw it.) Angels was a violin solo for the offertory. In G, once through on the low register with simple melody only, once on the top strings with ornaments and arpeggios, and then once in that same register with lots of double stops.

Missed a few notes in both cases but achieved the intended effect.

So we can go back to philosophy now . . .

and a happy and peaceful season to you all.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad your gig went well. From the standpoint of musicology, I'm thinking that this is not the first time that a work associated with one function morphed into acceptable use in a different function.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds beautiful BobL. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techfiddle
I had to look up Atheist as I wasn`t quite sure what it represented.There are two levels.A hard and soft version.Something else I didn`t know. Morality is still present with an Atheist.Good to know that. I always wonder why God is mentioned so often if the actual idea of God is too huge for a "mere mortal" to comprehend.The brain will not take in more than one fact at a time anyway.
What Religion teaches is taught by men.They learned it from other men.Over centuries the filter will make the message wobble quite a bit. Like Starlight?---Christmassy image there for you.
How does an Atheist spend Christmas? In England they rush away to a deserted cottage in Wales to escape the dreadful tv and commercialism if they are able.
When the Pope was knocked down the media men should have been looking for a word of forgiveness.They wanted to cover it as a Kennedy assasination attempt.Multiple camera angles.etc.
Anyway, believing and knowing are very variable parts of the equation.How do we know what goes on in someone elses mind?
Sweet 16 ,goes to church,just to see the boys. Part of American culture. My school had a very austere attitude to religion.Now it seems to have swerved towards the social aspect.First it was me and God.Then it became me and other people.
I think we just have to respect each others right to choose.If we feel we are right then we are lucky to feel that way.All the more reason to be nice to others. Does "being nice "count?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

>> Does "being nice "count?

Yes, in fact, Russell talks about how the two most important things in life are "kindliness and intelligence":

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Kindliness and intelligence are the chief sources of useful behavior, and neither is promoted by causing people to believe, against all reason, in a capricious and vindictive deity who practices a degree of cruelty which, in the strictest mathematical sense, surpasses infinitely that of the worst human beings who have ever existed.

From:
Freethought Breviary--Quotations Against Religion



There's an old atheist joke, à propos your post, that a certain English author (Samuel Butler?) refused to drive a car in the English countryside "for fear he'd run over a priest." (sorry)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techfiddle I was a bit confused with the Butler quote.I may find out some more when I read the quotations.Thanks especially for that.Sort of " Which Magazine meets Religion ".
A Breviary is what Christian Brothers kept in their pockets.They had a strap in the other one. Todays quote from Roald Dahl "Little children should be kept outside in a box!" (while I remember school days).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I misremembered the whole thing. It was H.G. Wells, and it was Paris:

"Don't drive a car in Paris," HG Wells allegedly said, "because the temptation to run over a priest would be too great."

http://reason.com/blog/2002/12/18/charm-city-debates-clerical-ab

My second guess would have been Shelly and the English countryside.

Also see (for related quotations):

The Atheist's Way: Living Well Without Gods by Eric Maisel, Ph.D. (Also available on Kindle).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you ever see Father Ted? The young priest Dougal is being questioned by the Bishop about religion.He suddenly says to the Bishop---"You don`t believe all that do you?"
Priests love watching that.All very irreverent .
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose, not being Catholic, I take those kinds of jokes a bit differently than a Catholic would.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amalia Yes at one time I felt very uncomfortable with it but it was never nasty .Just the idea of it would stop me watching. Do they show it in America? The opposite to comedy is reality which has been too shocking for anybody.I feel very sad for all the people who followed what the Church said in Ireland and then had the rug pulled from under their feet..It all defies belief.
Did you see the topic about Crickets? My latest discovery.The cricket site is the one that gives six short "tone bursts" at 2.9 khz.
I altered two violin bridges with this tuning and cannot believe the improvement in tone. You must try it and give yourself a treat.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never seen Father Ted. I don't think they show it over here.

The cricket thing is interesting. Smile I couldn't get the one link to work but I found the other one interesting. Whenever someone plays my violin they always have an opinion on what they think I should change. Either it's the bridge or the sound post or the strings or something. It's a wonderful sounding violin so I don't really get the point. Just to make it louder? I'm told that it used to be set up to be louder but was tweaked down so it didn't overwhelm the other violins in the orchestra. I'm afraid to change anything.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding religion, my father was raised Catholic but converted to Baptist before marrying my mother. My father had very little respect for "orgainzed" religion but had a personal faith in God. My husband and I (both raised Baptist) raised our children mostly outside of the "organized" church. Rather, we devoted ourselves to reading and attempting to follow the Scriptures that offcial churches claim to follow: The Bible. It's been a very rewarding journey.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did see a play (the musical comedy "Nunsense") last year about a small group of nuns who accidently poison most of their fella nuns and are trying different things to raise money to bury them. It was terribly funny and I don't recall thinking it was sacreligious, but then as I said, I'm not Catholic.

Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQKOi1M1xI8&feature=related
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